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Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:58:51 +0000

Author: tpgh
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 03:58

IMO i see a lot of people have more trouble with low spinny loops (off of underspin) than with high spinny loops.

blocks are almost impossible to control and gives you a nice chance ball. if the guy even tries to chop it, you can reset with a push or try to loop it. either way, i feel like it's a better option since the opponent won't be attacking it that well.

Equipment : F.H rubbers and B.H rubbers

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 03:50:17 +0000

Author: mallia
Subject: F.H rubbers and B.H rubbers
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 03:50

Having different rubbers on BH & FH to have subtle differences making it harder for the opponent to play topspin from both sides as they are coming at different speeds/spin.

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:30:46 +0000

Author: AznTTprodigy
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 01:30

Yeah. All you would have to do is take a controlled sample A, of said rubber from a manufacturer. And sample B, a collective sample of the player's rubber, of the same identical make of course. A chemical analysis between rubbers, and well as identifying the differences could probably be a very good tell-all.
Of course, there's the whole sponsor thing too perhaps....

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:25:35 +0000

Author: wingspan
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 01:25

In any case, it's obvious that this is butterfly marketing material and most likely doesn't represent Boll's true stance on this issue.

But it does raise an interesting question: if you were to confiscate a player's rubber after a match and subject it to a battery of tests in a lab could you then detect a tuner? The lab could be anywhere in the world as long as you were willing to wait 24 hours for a result.

General : Fast hall?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:22:31 +0000

Author: wingspan
Subject: Fast hall?
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 01:22

Hmm, I haven't played on too many types of floors, mostly all wood basketball courts. I did play in vegas twice and that was on concrete and to be honest I didn't notice any difference in the bounce. Would be interesting to set up an experiment to test this.

General : Fast hall?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:30:43 +0000

Author: boosttc
Subject: Fast hall?
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 00:30

The single biggest factor affecting speed and height of the bounce is the floor. It makes an astonishing difference.

General : Best player you have ever beaten?

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:28:13 +0000

Author: boosttc
Subject: Best player you have ever beaten?
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 00:28

Beat John Hilton in top table at a cooke and deaton summer camp. Thats about it. Recently also beat world team runner up (from 1977, but what the hey) Rista Stukelja in another top table at a training camp. I need to stick to those, and play no proper matches at all, ever. I'm good for about 15 points, then my bolt is shot...

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:24:14 +0000

Author: boosttc
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 00:24

I don't get it either. Plenty of competition for butterfly from Stiga - the boost rubbers are not so far behind that you have to pay the tenergy premium. Why the obession about tenergy?

Equipment : New setup advice

Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:01:53 +0000

Author: Tinykin
Subject: New setup advice
Posted: 10 September 2010 at 00:01

For a recreational player using MarkV, change every 3-4 years or so as long as the rubber isn't seriously damaged.

And yes, I am serious.

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:25:02 +0000

Author: Timo22
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 20:25

yes I get it. I don't use Tenergy, just Shrivers right now. TT is very expensive for grass roots players. I'm typing with my left hand (otherwise known as my wife) only after shoulder surgery.

Equipment : New setup advice

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:03:48 +0000

Author: alexo
Subject: New setup advice
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 19:03

Speaking of rubbers, how often should a recreational player replace them?
Is there a difference in longevity between the various brands? What about Chinese/European?

Equipment : Rubber wear and new rubber help please

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:38:13 +0000

Author: alexo
Subject: Rubber wear and new rubber help please
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 18:38

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but is there a significant difference in ageing speed between different rubbers?

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:26:20 +0000

Author: garwor
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 17:26

I changed my signature quite recently. But was always against monopolistic manufacturers. You can find my posts here about this with much older dates. And only way to stop prices increase is to stop buying their products. I use only btty products for years. Already changed blade, and will change to non-btty rubbers soon. I'm not doing this for me, but for all of us.

Also, inteview with Boll is held with Btty interviewer (not ittf, or ettu, or some independent interviewer), obviously just for marketing purpose.

Almost forget, Boll cant return well significant amount of serves from chinese opponents ;)

Coaching : Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 15:07:57 +0000

Author: Bicolbandit
Subject: Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 15:07

I have no shame as far as my game is concerned. I gladly share the strengths and, more importantly, the weaknesses of my game with others because I don't play table tennis to win, I play to have fun and inherent in that goal is the challenge.

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:43:32 +0000

Author: AznTTprodigy
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 06:43

Correction, Tenergy now costs 65.99 a sheet here in the US. As per Butterflyonline.

So, it shouldn't cost you over $130 for a pair of Tenergy....Or Spinart for that matter.

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 06:02:11 +0000

Author: AznTTprodigy
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 06:02

Why boycott?
Because it shouldn't cost you over $100-$150 for a pair of Tenergies. Or the even higher prices of a Butterfly blade. They're monopolizing the market because there is no other rubber that plays like Tenergy. And instead of offering it at an affordable price, they recently jacked the price up even more.

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 03:54:03 +0000

Author: Timo22
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 03:54

I didn't, at first, see your point, but then I saw your advertisement to "BOYCOTT BUTTERFLY" as your signature. Then I can see where you are going with your post. Why boycott? Just asking is all. I watch NASCAR racing and it is almost comical to hear how the drivers can get the names of the 50 sponsors crunched into a 30 second post race interview. (50 is a hyperbole btw,) Sounds like Boll is doing the same, gotta mention his sponsor in the interview, nothing wrong that, and I also agree with his stand on cheating, that is if he truely does not use illegal stuff, who knows any more. I sure don't know about others, all I know is that I will not cheat and have a clear conscience because of that stance. I can't talk for others, just myself.

P.S. I HATE when I continuously get "time expired" warnings, Close everything and restart the forum page from scratch and I still get the same notice... SOMETHING WRONG with this site????

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 02:01:18 +0000

Author: garwor
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 02:01

I think that main focus of this speak was:

Originally posted by pingpongpaddy

Originally posted by boll

In my opinion, you have to have a proper control mechanism before establishing these kinds of rules. The world organisation ITTF has shot itself in the foot. It provides a disadvantage for every athlete that abides by the new rules. I, on the other hand, am very fortunate to have a supplier with excellent material. I'm very happy with my new rubbers. I would never use tuners or boosters....

General : Boll speaks on tuners & boosters

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:46:19 +0000

Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: Boll speaks on tuners & boosters
Posted: 09 September 2010 at 01:46

Originally posted by butterfly interviewer

The European Championships gave the impression that a large part of the athletes unfortunately did not stick to the new rules, using undetectable tuners and boosters during the racket test. What do you think of this trend which obviously disregards fairness and equal conditions?

Originally posted by boll

In my opinion, you have to have a proper control mechanism before establishing these kinds of rules. The world organisation ITTF has shot itself in the foot. It provides a disadvantage for every athlete that abides by the new rules. I, on the other hand, am very fortunate to have a supplier with excellent material. I'm very happy with my new rubbers. I would never use tuners or boosters. That would not be fair. But I hope that soon they will find ways to detect them. I suggest keeping the rubbers after the matches and controlling them in a lab. If they test positively and prove the use of suspicious treatment, there should be hard penalties for those players.

Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 22:17:41 +0000
Author: Izraphel
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 22:17

i concider myself a good blocker for my level but the kind of loops that give me the most trouble are high loops. for counter looping too, those high loops can be very pesky (although i'm not much of a counterlooper to begin with).

Edited by Izraphel - 08 September 2010 at 22:18

Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 21:53:23 +0000
Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 21:53

Originally posted by Honey

[QUOTE=tpgh]
i think i'll try doing a spinny opening loop but try to keep it lower. i think that will give people the most trouble. and even harder to counterloop.

This is not right thinking on several counts:-

1: if you spin your loop up it must necessarily have a high arc because of the more open racket angle. And if it does happen to go through low, it will be bad length (too short), and therefore easier for the opponent.
2. really if you dont want yr opponent to do a counterloop dont do a loop in the first place.

Generally off the heavy push its usual to try to get in with a high arced shot, whether a spin loop or a dummy, mainly because the heavy chop restricts the topspin options. However the variation of dummy or spin may make opps block harder for him, and if that makes him try a later shot eg a loop, then I would say you have the edge because of forcing him back.

Edited by pingpongpaddy - 08 September 2010 at 23:41

General : Best of Waldner DVD

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 19:00:22 +0000
Author: sunflex
Subject: Best of Waldner DVD
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 19:00

waldner is just one of the best blockers ever.

General : Best of Waldner DVD

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 18:49:13 +0000
Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: Best of Waldner DVD
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 18:49

Originally posted by wingspan

One thing that stuck me is how often he returns long and then blocks the 3rd ball. Of course it's a highlight reel so I don't know what the percentage is in reality, but it happens a lot!

This is high level tactics: -
Most amateurs on return will attack or flip all short side topspin serves that come their way.It's rather an unthinking approoach really.
But Waldner knows that against the chinese, thats often just putting them in their comfort zone with the likelihood that they can do a quick kill.
So instead he will dig it long changing the tempo of the rally, perhaps hoping they will spin it up giving Him a chance to dominate or kill. I have seen plenty of instances of the chinese doing the same to him also!

Equipment : Table Tennis Shoes

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:04:51 +0000
Author: DavidHawkins
Subject: Table Tennis Shoes
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 14:04

What you have is a fair deal. But check out Nike's badminton shoes. You may find a better choice in them.

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Coaching : Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:53:35 +0000
Author: wiggy63
Subject: Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 11:53

I tend to discuss them with myself, but you've got to be very good at being self critical.

Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:17:12 +0000
Author: Honey
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 11:17

Originally posted by tpgh

i think i'll try doing a spinny opening loop but try to keep it lower. i think that will give people the most trouble. and even harder to counterloop.

IMO whatever height shot you choose to play, you have to assume that a good player will adjust to it, so again, variation is the key.

My opening loops are quite high, but if I could choose to vary just one thing I would choose depth/placement. It's probably the simplest thing that has the most effect.

You make a good point though tpgh in identifying the height as an area to look at in your loop. If you can control the height/spin/speed/placement all independently of each other then you would be a demon.

IMO you shouldn't say 'im going to practice low spinny loops' You should use a session to practice 1 loop variable (or more as you progress). Work on height to start. Practice high spinny, then low spinny, then vary them. Then, work on speed. Then mix...

Coaching : Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:13:58 +0000
Author: silent hunter
Subject: Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 09:13

Yeah, I do. Mostly with my mates, especially if they are better than me but also with those that are less good. We do so because it is fun and because it is always interesting in getting a new angle on your game.

I also do this with others that I don't know so well but the thing is that I don't usually bring up my strengths or the things I do in tight spots, which are more likely to be the things that decide the game when I next play them. So they aren't getting that much.

but against the people we most want to beat (who are NOT usually your mates (except in one case and our relationship is just like that sometimes)) we are cut throat. No discussion of games except in the most guarded of fashion, and no ground given once we are out on the court. But there are only a couple of guys like that in the comps that I go to and most of them started it!

Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:08:11 +0000
Author: tpgh
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 02:08

thanks a lot guys! you are right that i am doing more of a drive than an opening loop. in one of my other vids i focused purely on the turn and loop/drive. with that one, florian (feeder) asked me to be a little more safer. so i can definitely do the safe loop. maybe i should work on 75%.

you also make a great point PPP. i do seem to rush back into position rather than finishing the swing and then getting back into position.

i'll get my other practice partner (calvin) to feed some spinnier underspin balls next time.

thanks again everyone!!

i think i'll try doing a spinny opening loop but try to keep it lower. i think that will give people the most trouble. and even harder to counterloop.

Coaching : footwork and opening loops

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:51:34 +0000
Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 01:51

Hi tpgh

That is not a loop at all imho. It is a fh drive which is sometimes near to a kill shot Nor is yr feeder giving you a long ball that needs looping. (He needs to put more backspin on the long ball)
however as an exercise of short recieve followed by fh drive its not too bad. I notice that sometimes you try to recover from the short ball BEFORE you complete. You need to stay in the shot more but recover faster

Equipment : F.H rubbers and B.H rubbers

Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:37:59 +0000
Author: one ply
Subject: F.H rubbers and B.H rubbers
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 01:37

How many of you use the same rubber on both sides? The reason im asking is after a knock with useless1 the other day he said i had a real advantage as my rubbers were so different when i topspining to him,it took him some time to adjust.Ive never really thought about this before as ive only just started to topspin on my b.h,do you think it makes that much of a difference if you use different rubbers on each side?