DTTW Table Tennis Forum : Coaching http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/ This is an XML content feed of; DTTW Table Tennis Forum : Coaching : Last 30 Posts Copyright (c) 2006-2009 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:28:04 +0000 Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:17:12 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 9.68 60 www.tabletennisforum.gr/RSS_topic_feed.asp?FID=6 DTTW Table Tennis Forum http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_images/title.gif http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/ Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153943#153943 Author: Honey
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 11:17

Originally posted by tpgh


i think i'll try doing a spinny opening loop but try to keep it lower. i think that will give people the most trouble. and even harder to counterloop.


IMO whatever height shot you choose to play, you have to assume that a good player will adjust to it, so again, variation is the key.

My opening loops are quite high, but if I could choose to vary just one thing I would choose depth/placement. It's probably the simplest thing that has the most effect.

You make a good point though tpgh in identifying the height as an area to look at in your loop. If you can control the height/spin/speed/placement all independently of each other then you would be a demon.

IMO you shouldn't say 'im going to practice low spinny loops' You should use a session to practice 1 loop variable (or more as you progress). Work on height to start. Practice high spinny, then low spinny, then vary them. Then, work on speed. Then mix...


]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:17:12 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153943#153943 Coaching : Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13759&PID=153942#153942 Author: silent hunter
Subject: Do you discuss your weaknesses with your peers?
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 09:13

Yeah, I do. Mostly with my mates, especially if they are better than me but also with those that are less good. We do so because it is fun and because it is always interesting in getting a new angle on your game.
 
I also do this with others that I don't know so well but the thing is that I don't usually bring up my strengths or the things I do in tight spots, which are more likely to be the things that decide the game when I next play them. Tongue    So they aren't getting that much.
 
 
but against the people we most want to beat (who are NOT usually your mates (except in one case and our relationship is just like that sometimes)) we are cut throat. No discussion of games except in the most guarded of fashion, and no ground given once we are out on the court. But there are only a couple of guys like that in the comps that I go to and most of them started it!
]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:13:58 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13759&PID=153942#153942 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153940#153940 Author: tpgh
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 02:08

thanks a lot guys! you are right that i am doing more of a drive than an opening loop. in one of my other vids i focused purely on the turn and loop/drive. with that one, florian (feeder) asked me to be a little more safer. so i can definitely do the safe loop. maybe i should work on 75%.

you also make a great point PPP. i do seem to rush back into position rather than finishing the swing and then getting back into position.

i'll get my other practice partner (calvin) to feed some spinnier underspin balls next time.

thanks again everyone!!

i think i'll try doing a spinny opening loop but try to keep it lower. i think that will give people the most trouble. and even harder to counterloop.
]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2010 02:08:11 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153940#153940 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153939#153939 Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 08 September 2010 at 01:51

Hi tpgh

That is not a loop at all imho. It is a fh drive which is sometimes near to a kill shot Nor is yr feeder giving you a long ball that  needs looping.  (He needs to put more backspin on the long ball)
however as an exercise of short recieve followed by fh drive its not too bad. I notice that sometimes you try to recover from the short ball BEFORE you complete. You need to stay in the shot more but recover faster
]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:51:34 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153939#153939 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153937#153937 Author: Izraphel
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 21:20

nice one honey, my current coach who is an active div1 player always insists that i change the spin/speed ratio when i'm attacking. Thumbs Up

Edited by Izraphel - Yesterday at 21:20]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:20:19 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153937#153937 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153935#153935 Author: Honey
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 20:22

Definitely not the rubber. Listen to your contact sound, its way too heavy most of the time which is why your not getting much spin.

In my opinion an opening loop should be slower and spinnier. Judge the amount of speed you use by how good your footwork is. By hitting it hard on opening (especially from the BH corner) you are only letting your opponent get in a well placed block and it will fly past you. Play the ball slower and spinnier and you give yourself time to move your feet to the next shot and your ready for it anywhere.

Obviously though variation is the key, but I think the above is fundamentals.

I am pretty good at the above, but I am so fixed on it sometimes that better players adjust to it, no matter how spinny it is.

Variation, keep them guessing.

By the way - what you do in the video is good, looks clean and sharp, and for the majority you are very consistent. But IMO whilst what you are doing is goodif you want a better opening loop, work on slowing it down and spinning it up. Your good at hitting, work on something else. Imagine how good you could be Tuan if you could really spin one up (my way) then hit through one (you already can from your vid) and then all of the in-between spins/speeds.

]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:22:52 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153935#153935 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153934#153934 Author: wingspan
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 19:45

Probably not the rubber, most likely it's because you haven't played in a month and you've lost some feel for the ball.  I'm sure it'll come back quickly.]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:45:01 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153934#153934 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153933#153933 Author: Bicolbandit
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 15:25

Loosen up. Playing that tight will just get you injured again.]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:25:39 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153933#153933 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153930#153930 Author: Baal2
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 13:41

Looks fine to me.  Maybe you need new shoes, you seem to be sliding.  After a back injury you might want to start slow.  Multiballs are tough because it is extreme repeated use of same muscles.  Of course you are young, recover fast, but still.]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:41:48 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153930#153930 Coaching : footwork and opening loops http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153928#153928 Author: tpgh
Subject: footwork and opening loops
Posted: 07 September 2010 at 08:10

hey guys!

after a month of not playing (injured my back) i finally got back into things again. i've gotten a bit slow and my opening loops just don't have the dip that they once used to...

here's a quick vid that should show you what i'm talking about. i'm wondering if it's due to the fact that my fh rubber (h3 neo provincial) is 6 months old and just doesn't have the grip/tack it used to or is it more a technique kind of problem?

Have a look and thanks again!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x-yNNPWTLg
]]> Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:10:26 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13773&PID=153928#153928 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153897#153897 Author: Tinykin
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 05 September 2010 at 19:56

No need to watch no ball when one is well past 10k hours

]]> Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:56:19 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153897#153897 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153878#153878 Author: AznTTprodigy
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 04 September 2010 at 06:28

Chuan Chih Yuan is pretty short isn't he?]]> Sat, 04 Sep 2010 06:28:23 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153878#153878 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153868#153868 Author: wiggy63
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 11:05

Dave Skerratt anyone?]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 11:05:49 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153868#153868 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153867#153867 Author: cyber1call
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 08:15

Originally posted by wingspan

Originally posted by cyber1call


The highest ranked woman penholder is Li Jiao at #25!



Interesting little factoid.  Surprising!  Clap
Surprised me too actually. I scanned the list of women on the ITTF website and looked at the photos. It's possible I may have misidentified some because some of the pictures aren't well labeled and I saw a few that had a players name but actually showed their opponents picture from some tournament. But still, surprising that SH seems to predominate even among the Chinese women.


]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 08:15:16 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153867#153867 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153865#153865 Author: wingspan
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 07:34

Originally posted by cyber1call


The highest ranked woman penholder is Li Jiao at #25!



Interesting little factoid.  Surprising!  Clap]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:34:59 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153865#153865 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153864#153864 Author: Hinoki
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 07:20

Ball?  What ball?  Rats, lost another point!  Where's the ball?]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 07:20:28 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153864#153864 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153863#153863 Author: cyber1call
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 06:46

And don't leave out the women...the top players are SH and I'd guess that very few of them would be considered tall. They do play quite a different game though where the BHs seem to dominate. Less power than the men, but very quick and incredibly fast rallies. 

#1 Liu Shiwen - SH
#2 Feng Tianwei - SH
#3 Guo Yan - SH
#4 Kim Kyung Ah - SH
#5 Ding Ning - SH
#6 Li Xiaoxia - SH
#7 Wang Yue Gu - SH
#8 Guo Yue - SH
#9 Ai Fukuhara - SH
#10 Park Mi Young - SH

The highest ranked woman penholder is Li Jiao at #25!


]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:46:14 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153863#153863 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153862#153862 Author: Baal2
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 05:30

Liu Shiwen, very short.  Ryu Seung Minh, fairly tall.]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:30:00 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153862#153862 Coaching : Penhold or shakehand http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153861#153861 Author: Baal2
Subject: Penhold or shakehand
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 05:29

Wang Tao. Short!

Deng Yaping, really short!
]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 05:29:03 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13755&PID=153861#153861 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153860#153860 Author: swingmaster
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 03 September 2010 at 03:48

Hmmmm, we are playing TT.   The objective is to hit the small orange / white ball.  OF COURSE I watch the ball !!! Wink LOL

Actually I am not sure if I watch the ball 100%, it is more of a combination of watching my opponent movement, bat contact, then the trajectory of the ball, etc. 


Edited by swingmaster - 03 September 2010 at 03:50]]> Fri, 03 Sep 2010 03:48:53 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153860#153860 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153845#153845 Author: one ply
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 18:33

This is a great post,i try to watch the bat contact,then try to look at the motif on the ball if its blurred its loaded with spin,if you can see the motif then you know its float.I was up against a player with pimples last night so i was trying watch which side of the bat he was playing his shots with how he contacted the ball,plus watching the spin on the ball.Im improving at this all the time,as we all know there so much to learn when you play this great game!

]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:33:31 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153845#153845 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153844#153844 Author: Honey
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 18:28

Originally posted by Kibble

This is one of the areas that I have recently realised is a weakness, I have for the last few seasons been trying very hard to watch the ball to my bat. It is getting there but slowly.

My averages in my local league have dropped because I am now making myself think about this, it is not automatic yet and hence some of my (limited) brain power is being used for this activity and not for other parts of the game that it used to cover (anticipation for example). I believe that this will eventually lead to improvements above what I could have reached before. I certainly feel that whan I am watching the ball and getting down close to it I am playing better shots, maybe not that consistant yet.


For me it is different to this. there are certain things that if I concentrate on it has a negative effect on my game, but this [watching the ball] is something I just need to be reminded of and I can click into it. I think its just because I don't naturally do it.

The other day I was doing some counter hitting quite fast at the table and everytime the ball was hit wide off the sides I missed it. It was pretty terrible to be honest, she hit the ball hard but not unreachable. I said 'what am I doing wrong' she said 'your looking at what my bat is doing and not where the ball is going' and straight after she said that I was on every one of them, it just clicked in.

I need to make watching the ball a habit. I don't do it well enough yet, but just that reminder about it every now and then can make all the difference.


]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 18:28:13 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153844#153844 Coaching : Progressive Looping http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13762&PID=153843#153843 Author: garwor
Subject: Progressive Looping
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 16:28

This is pattern for attacking game, you start with open bat for first loop, and closing bat gradually in next ones in order to not let ball go too long (although bat angle and changing depends of rubbers, it's different with bryce fx and tenergy 05). For me goal of first few loops is to force opponent to block high or slow, and then you can flat kill it or go for wide angle. Although I like flat killing (bat open at around 80-90 degrees and go through ball), I'm pretty sure that european pro's rarely go for flat kill, with their too fast rubbers they will instead go over the ball with more horizontal bat (there is lot of this in Boll's training video).

Generally, controlling spin/speed is done by bat angle, bat speed, and sinking the ball into sponge(duration of contact with ball), use body to sink more. For more spin sink more and open bat more, for point winning (without flat kill) go for shorter contact and closer bat.
Btw, Primorac off- is not so good for flat hitting ;)
]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 16:28:13 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13762&PID=153843#153843 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153842#153842 Author: Kibble
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 14:48

This is one of the areas that I have recently realised is a weakness, I have for the last few seasons been trying very hard to watch the ball to my bat. It is getting there but slowly.

My averages in my local league have dropped because I am now making myself think about this, it is not automatic yet and hence some of my (limited) brain power is being used for this activity and not for other parts of the game that it used to cover (anticipation for example). I believe that this will eventually lead to improvements above what I could have reached before. I certainly feel that whan I am watching the ball and getting down close to it I am playing better shots, maybe not that consistant yet.
]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 14:48:06 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153842#153842 Coaching : Progressive Looping http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13762&PID=153840#153840 Author: Honey
Subject: Progressive Looping
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 11:26

Do you have control over the progression of spin in your loops from heavy spin to flat in your loops?

If you do, whats the best way to implement this?

I'm sure I've seen a video of Boll on youtube where he is spinning up and then plays 3 shots after, each one with more contact that the last. First one brushed loop to open, then gradually contacting the ball more with each stroke until his final stroke is somewhat of an (almost) flat kill. He moves forward ever so slightly with each stroke too.
]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:26:37 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13762&PID=153840#153840 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153839#153839 Author: Honey
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 11:19

How does it actually work though?

For instance, I know I watch the ball more than I did a couple of years ago, but I also know I don't watch it enough. All I'm saying is its not simply a case of either watching it or not watching it, its a sliding scale of how well you can react to what you see.

This might sound an unanswerable question, but how do you actually know what you are looking at? (without scientific equipment)

I would LOVE to get one of those eye tracker setups they use for sports analysis and see where my eyes are looking (and for how long) in relation to say a player of wiggy's standard and then above that a player of world class standard.
]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 11:19:50 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153839#153839 Coaching : TT training programme in HB overseas chinese schoo http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13761&PID=153838#153838 Author: peeper
Subject: TT training programme in HB overseas chinese schoo
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 04:41

< ="-" ="text/; =utf-8">< name="ProgId" ="Word.">< name="Generator" ="Microsoft Word 11">< name="Originator" ="Microsoft Word 11">    We are the Hebei Overseas Chinese School (HEBOCS).We have continuously co-operated with Chinese National Table Tennis Training Centerto hold table tennis summer camp for many years. There are many professionalplayers and lovers of table tennis all over the world participating thetraining camp. Their skills were highly improved, and the trainees highlypraised the training. If you want to know more. Please feel free to visit ourofficial website: www.hebocs.org]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:41:16 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13761&PID=153838#153838 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153836#153836 Author: wiggy63
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 02:20

Originally posted by pingpongpaddy

this is where the Syed 10000 hours comes in....
 You hit it on the head PPPTongue]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:20:19 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153836#153836 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153834#153834 Author: pingpongpaddy
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 02:04

this is where the Syed 10000 hours comes in....
and I think having a brain with good multi-tasking capacity.
though I am sure that application from an early age helps a lot, I believe that those born with an aptitude in this area have a huge advantage
]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:04:34 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153834#153834 Coaching : Do you watch the ball? http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153833#153833 Author: tpgh
Subject: Do you watch the ball?
Posted: 01 September 2010 at 02:03

i love watching my own shot. it just sucks when you see your amazing shot come back....]]> Wed, 01 Sep 2010 02:03:34 +0000 http://www.tabletennisforum.gr/forum_posts.asp?TID=13758&PID=153833#153833