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    Posted: 27 May 2010 at 18:52
Can you play a backhand drive away from the table, after you have played a F/hand drive? difficult footwork, that's why I ask, its a weak area of many players games, they don't have the footwork to get behind the ball and produce a stroke, so fish/lob/chop when caught in this position.
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I can do that, but I struggle at it in reverse. I find it harder to play a FH drive after a BH away from the table, I usually get caught square, and don't get my right foot back (right handed). If the exchange is slower I have no problem. I find its like a bug, sometimes I have no issues and can do both transitions with ease, but once it kicks in I find it hard to 'reset' my footwork and I'm always getting caught.

Strangely when closer to the table I am weaker at the transition FH->BH, but can do BH ->FH easily.

I put this down to my stance and grip, both of which are a bit different.
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depends on the quality of the shot i'm facing really... but my backhand drive is actually one of my strong points (which only means it's strong in relation to the rest of my game).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Honey Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2010 at 21:29
Originally posted by Izraphel

depends on the quality of the shot i'm facing really... but my backhand drive is actually one of my strong points (which only means it's strong in relation to the rest of my game).


My BH drive is fantastic...but only when I'm in the right place. If my footwork was better I could hit them all day, but its not.

If you say your BH drive is your strong shot, do you imply that (a) its a great shot , and (b) that you can move to hit this shot after any other shot, such as after playing a FH drive as wiggy mentions.

I'm sure you know this Izraphel, but just to point out to others: it doesn't matter if you have a great shot, if you can't move to play this shot after other shots, then it really degrades the shot.

If your feet are in the right place, the shot will pretty much play itself (if your a moderately good player).


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Post Options Post Options   Quote Izraphel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 May 2010 at 21:40
oh what the hell, might as well show you. Tongue

sadly i move out of the screen a bit but here i finish the point with two consecutive backhand drives.

don't think im boasting here, i'm just saying my backhand is good in relation to the rest of my game (which really isn't at a very high level).


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Which one is you?

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I think I'm similar. I've always been trying to copy Persson's bh... and I managed. But no success with Waldner's fh... have to find weaker player to copy :)
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I can play the BH drive alright in most situations as I have a punchier type BH, I probably play my BH too much in most respects. Away from the table it's a bit stronger as I get to wind up a little more, but I opt to loop most of the time as this is the shot that needs more practice. But, honestly speaking, I can play a transitional FH-BH drive combination pretty well, so long as I don't get caught moving around. The footwork for the stroke I can handle, getting into another position and handling the shot? Forget about it Embarrassed
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I pride myself on being able to drive/loop with the ball anywhere on my backhand, even when it's on my forehand! However, I'm the first to admit a lot of these are due to hand skills and wrist work rather than decent footwork or tremendous talent!
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Originally posted by wiggy63

Which one is you?


the one in black... with short hair. LOL

the one on the closer end.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote BeGo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 May 2010 at 03:16
Originally posted by wiggy63

Can you play a backhand drive away from the table, after you have played a F/hand drive? difficult footwork, that's why I ask, its a weak area of many players games, they don't have the footwork to get behind the ball and produce a stroke, so fish/lob/chop when caught in this position.


Dear Wiggy,

No, I can't do it. I am too slow to do that.

May be this have to do with that drive is technically have slower timing than chops and blocks?

Before caught in misconception, I am talking about when someone going back from forehand drive to backhand drive, He must pull the blade first at the pivot end, and catapult His backhand drive forward rather than just unleash His chop / block / whatever when pivoting counter clockwise.

Or, in short, when done from counter clockwise pivot, Backhand drive at least is 2 pieces motion, yet Backhand chop / block / etc are 1 piece motion.




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Originally posted by Honey

I can do that, but I struggle at it in reverse. I find it harder to play a FH drive after a BH away from the table, I usually get caught square, and don't get my right foot back (right handed).


Same for me, fh after bh is more difficult than vice versa.  I think it's because my feet are somehow usually too square to the table so bh is more ready than fh (i.e., for a decent fh I have to move feet which usually doesn't happen).
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Oh , have I opened up a can of worms? I hope so..... we can really use what DTTW is good for if so... I provide the answers.

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So wiggy, would you say that this is a stronger part of your game? But also, what would you say would really be the keys to improving the transitioning between FH-BH drives?
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Originally posted by AznTTprodigy

So wiggy, would you say that this is a stronger part of your game? But also, what would you say would really be the keys to improving the transitioning between FH-BH drives?
 Yes, I am known for it. Smooth transition is the product of correct weight transfer between legs, which can only be learned from hard drilling. Many players have a black hole in their footwork when it comes to playing off the table on the b/hand wing, away from the table, where you have time, right foot slightly forward (RH) weight from left to right foot as you play into the ball, but preceding that, weight on right to left as the ball comes in, facilitating the possibility of movement wide in the b/hand court, totally important as you have to be behind the ball to play this stroke. B/hands near to the table can be played with left foot forward (less stroke production required)

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Useless1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 May 2010 at 13:59

maybe slightly o/t as I'm thinking about someone playing closer to the table

I was watching some british league, and a player of that standard who was sat next to me pointed out a player. Their comments were everyone thinks that players strength is their backhand drive (a good shot), but I don't because the footwork (i.e. stance) takes away from the more powerful forehand when it gets switched too.

I tend to believe that linking shots in a rally crucial, and footwork is a cornerstone of been able to do this. A player may have a great shot from a certain position after a certain ball, but played to a different position or after a certain shot can bring their percentages down.
 
A guy who used to play for our club (days of 21 up) earlier in the game often played shots of different spins, placement, depth, pace to try to acertain a players weaknesses. Of course you have to be good enough to be able to do this, and to read and understand what may or may not be a weakness. They judged a players shot strength not just good bh/ good f/h but good at this ball in this area, weak against the same ball in this area etc:
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