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garwor
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Topic: How to attack push?Posted: 31 May 2010 at 20:00 |
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I'm bad with this. I incoming ball has lot of backspin, I can loop. If ball has no spin, I flat kill. But if it has little, don't know what to do. Usually I try to loop and send ball too long, but sometimes it's even into net, if ball is slow. Loop or flat kill? Angles, timing? Should bat move only in it's own plane, like with standard loop? Somehow it's not logical to me, if ball has little of spin than bat should be opened, but then moving in bat's plane produces too high and long ball, this is why I'm making mistakes with this.
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Izraphel
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Posted: 31 May 2010 at 20:10 |
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it's all about the angles... the most basic explanation would be to loop with a more horizontal stroke and bat angle. so you're still grazing the ball but the contact is closer to the top of the ball.
since you understand my language you can check this out, maybe you'll find something useful. (scroll down to forhend spin na rezanu) Edited by Izraphel - 31 May 2010 at 20:12 |
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Posted: 31 May 2010 at 21:42 |
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If your attacking light back spin, in my head I think of this as a cushioned loop shot. You need to have enough bat speed to bite onto the spin, but the ball will have little energy, so you need to give it some forwards momentum.
On an extreme level, if your flat hit is good enough, you can hit through it anyway. I certainly can't, but there's a guy that comes to my club that has probably the best flat hit I've ever witnessed. He can loop too, but in practice he tends to flat hit alot, through any spin, even low balls. He can also do what I can only describe as a flat his loop off the ground. His action is so quick that he can hit the back of the ball (not brushing it) yet still generates topspin to bring the ball down. I believe he's a Jamaican ex international. It just shows you that flat hitting just about anything is possible. Garwor - give us more information: When you try to loop light backspin balls, what actually happens? Do you tend to hit long/into net, or what? |
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garwor
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 00:28 |
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I said in first post, I usually try to loop this light back spin, and ball goes too long and high (far from table). Sometime, if incoming ball is quite slow, my loop finishes into net.
I'd say I'm good flat hitter, from both bh and fh, actually all my game is based on this, loop is for me just preparation for hit, I'm deciding most of the points by kill or miss, but, against simple push I have no idea what to do. Especially from bh side, so any taxi driver can now play only push on my bh, and beat me. Once I knew this bh loop, but somehow forgot it. Izraphel's link is very good, I found nice explanations of both bh and fh loops on light backspin. Also other texts seems promising. Thanks Izraphel! |
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 00:37 |
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When looping light backspin, you need to first have one thing before you start. Confidence. It sounds like you also dread having to try and loop any kind of light backspin shot.
For me, I loop generally the same, but with just a hair more closed angle than with looping heavy or moderate backspin. The only thing you need to change is the angle. But what you need to understand is that this is a very small change, and you need to practice doing this outside of a match. If you can't do this because someone doesn't want you to get better, then lose. Lose by practicing to loop that shot. Or you can give flat hitting a try. ![]() |
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 07:33 |
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if your loop against slight backspin goes long, then you're not putting enough spin on your shots. or else it would be dipping onto the table. if it goes into the net, again...not putting enough spin on your shots, but this time add a little more vertical component to the shot so that your ball will have a nice arc over the net.
as everyone said, it's all about blade angles and hot you contact the ball. you could look at my bh loop against underspin vid if it's at all helpful. but i missed like 30% so i dunno if it'll help you out. |
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Posted: 04 June 2010 at 04:17 |
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nice post.. I am a beginner player with
table tennis and I'd like to improve my skills with this game. I think I can use this info though can anyone explain what is blade angle? |
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