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AznTTprodigy
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Topic: Table training and Physical training RatioPosted: 31 May 2010 at 21:57 |
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So, maybe a thread like this has come up, but I don't remember one. So I went ahead and started this one.
We all know how important training is through and through, most importantly when you start. That is, practicing and getting down repetition for your strokes, then moving into the other aspects of training, serving, serve return, linking strokes, footwork, etc. But an interesting point was brought up in Brian Pace's Textbook Table Tennis Training video and that was that there wasn't going to be any kind of physical training regimen in this video because developing the muscles etc. would mess up muscle memory and stroke development. Loosely quoted anyway. But the idea is there, beginners should not work on physical training because it actually hinders their game in development. So how true is this? But we all know that top table tennis athletes have just as an intense, if not, a serious physical training regimen integrated with their game. So obviously there is a turning point somewhere. When do you finally turn on the lights and begin physically pushing yourself on the table along with outside of it? And if so, what's a good ratio of physical training to table training? My take on it is, once you have your consistency down for your strokes, or at least once you've attained some form of sound technique, you should include physical training. I hadn't really thought about it much until reading about the current U.S. National Champion Michael Landers' training schedule, which included a rigorous fitness regimen including plyometrics and working with medicine balls. So where is that line? If there is one? |
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wingspan
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Posted: 31 May 2010 at 23:37 |
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Hmm, is that his opinion or something commonly held by most coaches? I'm skeptical. Certainly for older players some kind of physical training outside of tt is helpful just to keep you in shape and get exercise, never mind the effects on your strokes!
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 00:03 |
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TT in the first instance is all about Brain/hand co-ordination, once that is gained to a level of competence, physical ability does come in to it, but lets get real, a 70 yr old expert, is gonna piss on a novice how ever fit he is, there is a grey area in between.
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AznTTprodigy
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Posted: 01 June 2010 at 00:33 |
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Well sure, I have no argument against fitness versus game and technique experience.
The guy that probably pulls out more close wins against me is in fact the 70 year old at our club. With 50+ years of experience, and having only "held the paddle right" for the last 10 or so years, he's not the best, but reading spin and handling close games is something that doesn't phase him nearly as much as me. But at the end of the day, I've got the speed, fitness/endurance, and power on him. So for example, I'm in the gray area. ![]() But where it's black and white, I'd say, as you say wiggy, you need to establish hand-eye coordination first, then try to improve fitness and endurance? |
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Posted: 02 June 2010 at 08:26 |
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It must depend a lot on the type of game you play. For players whose mainstay is the loop fitness has to be more important. Same for off the table defenders. But if your game is close to the table blocking/hitting with lps or anti then you can get away with being less fit.
I still don't see why young players shouldn't cross train in addition to their tt training. How would this interfere with your muscle memory for tt? Of course if your cross training is another racket sport then ok, not a good idea! But shouldn't lifting weights, running, etc., be ok? |
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Limbu
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 03:57 |
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Just a question about Physical training ,What sort of physical training is helpful for your game ?
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Posted: 03 August 2010 at 21:46 |
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I asked Stellan Bengtsson this question at one of his training camps last year. He said it varied from player to player. When he was a player he did a lot of lower body weight training (squats, etc.) but he said that other players didn't do weights but preferred running and other things. Seems like more of a personal preference.
If you look at the legs of the Chinese and Japanese pros they're definitely doing weights... |
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Posted: 04 August 2010 at 01:14 |
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The pros will be doing the heavy physical training during the summer (off-season).
Their whole year training wise will have been designed, with a view to peaking for the Worlds, with mini-peaks built -in for other significant events. Peaking is brought about by reducing training work loads as target events get closer so that the player is raring to go when the Worlds start. Reading about periodisation (controlling periods of peak physical performance) is simplest in relation to swimmers, or runners. For racket sports training things are much more complex, because of the need to work on ball and racket skills, plus tactical issues , and bring them to the optimum level in sync with the physical level. Get hold of "murder in the squash court" by jonah barrington, to get the ultimate goods on this kind of thing. (you'll thank your stars you chose to be a tt player) |
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